tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post9112242953298599313..comments2023-03-23T01:16:53.418+01:00Comments on The Overseer: Spotlight: Warwitch DeneghraLamoronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-86478235115860730952013-05-13T21:21:54.891+02:002013-05-13T21:21:54.891+02:00OK, I'll give that a try and let you know how ...OK, I'll give that a try and let you know how it goes! Thanks for the advice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550808294071022044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-44633465908364882872013-05-12T18:32:48.028+02:002013-05-12T18:32:48.028+02:00I would never field pDeneghra without a Warwitch S...I would never field pDeneghra without a Warwitch Siren to power boost an arc node, and several things that can shoot. The pDeneghra pop'n'drop is infamous for a reason :DLamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-48233028085897191312013-05-12T15:38:07.611+02:002013-05-12T15:38:07.611+02:00Hi Lamoron,
Thanks very much for your reply,and a...Hi Lamoron,<br /><br />Thanks very much for your reply,and appologies for the slow response!<br /><br />Yes, I've found your new website. I've also found the archive of Cryx tactics that you've put together on the PP forums. Thanks very much for taking the effort to put these excellent resources together.<br /><br />I've actually got quite a few modeels squirreled away, and I recently got bought some styxis raiders + UA and captain.<br /><br />I've just signed up for the Machinations:Anomaly league at my local gaming club and have decided to concentrate on 2 casters (mortenebra and pDenny) with a few solid lists.<br /><br />The models I have that might go with pDenny are:<br /><br />lots of arcnodes(2x all of them except the Nightwretches)<br /><br />lots of heavies (2xcrabjacks, Reaper, Seether, Slayer)<br /><br />min Biles<br /><br />max Mechanithralls or 2x min mcthalls<br /><br />max Stayxis Raiders<br /><br />Stitch thrall and Necrosurgeon<br /><br />Pistol Wraith<br /><br />Machine wraith<br /><br />Skarlock<br /><br />2xSirens<br /><br />I'm pretty skint at the moment but I wouldn't mind spending another £20.00 or so on new models.<br /><br />What would a decent 25 an 35pt list look like out of those models?<br /><br />How about:<br /><br />pDenny (+5)<br /><br />Deathripper (4)<br /><br />Ripjaw (5)<br /><br />skarlock (2)<br /><br />max Stayxis Raiders, UA and Captain (12)<br /><br />max Mechanithralls (5)<br /><br />necrosurgeon and co. (2)<br /><br />25pts<br /><br />Does that look any good? What would you change? What would you add to make it up to a 35pt list?<br /><br />thanks for your help<br /><br />Joe<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550808294071022044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-26912734787545463952013-05-12T15:34:58.725+02:002013-05-12T15:34:58.725+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550808294071022044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-77409505520297018482013-04-18T12:12:06.799+02:002013-04-18T12:12:06.799+02:00I hope you've found the new one as well :)
As...I hope you've found the new one as well :)<br /><br />As I see it, your problem is army composition. A single unit of Mechanithralls will be blown of the table before ever reaching the enemy, so invest in a Necrosurgeon so you can bring some back. The best would be to save up for something else though, like Banes, Satyxis Raiders, or Nyss Hunters.<br /><br />Bile Thralls are great, but not so much with pDeneghra. it's not a bad choice, but with pDeneghra there are much better units out there. The Slayer is indeed shit, but if money is tight...<br /><br />Give me a list of the models you have available, and a rough budget for new purchases, and I'll see what I can cook up for you.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-78972994224980154812013-04-17T23:50:38.118+02:002013-04-17T23:50:38.118+02:00PDenny is the caster I use predominantly because s...PDenny is the caster I use predominantly because she was the caster that was in the battlebox I bought when I first got into playing Warmachine. I bet I've played well over 25 games with her now against many different lists and, despite being told by numerous people that she is an 'autowin' caster, I've never come close to winning a game with her! In fact I got so tired of losing games that I put her on the shelf and started playing Mortenebra instead, now I sometimes do win games. I might not be the world's best player, but I don't accept that she is as powerful as people claim. Especially not for an inexperienced player. For starters she's extremely weak, then there's the fact that she's weak and did I mention that she's extremely weak. This means that, despite all her tricks, she'll die to a gnats fart. All it takes to lose a game with her is to mis-judge your opponents charge distances by half an inch and she's dead, even to a light warbeast or solo. <br /><br />Just out of interest, if you're wondering what kind of a list you'd need to run to lose that many times with pDenny, it's:<br /><br />pDenny<br /><br />max mcthralls<br /><br />min biles (another 'powerful' unit I just don't get)<br /><br />some arcnodes<br /><br />a slayer (I know, they're shit)<br /><br />skarlock<br /><br />couple of sirens<br /><br />That's about 35pts! <br /><br />I can't play Banes because I'm too poor to afford £50+ for a unit but the other stuff is pretty standard so where am I going wrong?<br /><br />P.S. I really like your site, it's definately the best WM/Hs site I've come across so far so thanks for the effort, I enjoy reading your stuff!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550808294071022044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-71659661604122597372011-12-01T05:59:44.238+01:002011-12-01T05:59:44.238+01:00What about this list....
warwitch deneghra +5
deat...What about this list....<br />warwitch deneghra +5<br />deathripper 4 <br />nightwretch x 2 8<br />leviathan 9<br />skarlock 2<br /><br />BLT 4<br />6 bane thralls 5<br />-UA 3<br />gorman 2<br />10 mechanithralls5<br />1 brute 1<br />necrosurgeon 2<br />pistol wraith 3<br />warwitch 2<br /><br />For the last 5 points I have been between bile thralls or WSC.<br />I like to run them in 2 groups that meet in the middle with the leviathan shooting over mcthralls and the banes going with gorman for some screen or black oil/ rust. <br />Any contstructive comments ?Nathan213https://www.blogger.com/profile/00625553937742379362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-88491452486734951762011-11-28T15:10:53.569+01:002011-11-28T15:10:53.569+01:00Hehehe :) Usually can't stick to only one cast...Hehehe :) Usually can't stick to only one caster for too long at a time. Right now I'm playing both pDenny, Terminus, Mortenebra and thinking about giving the coven another go.duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-34548269651109605362011-11-28T13:48:56.110+01:002011-11-28T13:48:56.110+01:00Go ahead and keep her then, but make sure you noti...Go ahead and keep her then, but make sure you notice if the eye twitching begins :)Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-7185628837703435642011-11-28T12:31:38.657+01:002011-11-28T12:31:38.657+01:00It varies a bit what I'm facing, but mostly Le...It varies a bit what I'm facing, but mostly Legion and Khador. Just got my army transport not long ago, but before that, all my Cryx stuff was at a friends place. He has a gaming table and I do not, so the logical choice was for my army to occupy one of his shelves, heavily surrounded on all fronts by Khador and Legion xD We mostly try out all kinds of different stuff, and do what we can to make the games enjoyable for both. But sometimes I do face the really good casters like eLylyth, Saeryn, Old Witch and so on.duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-59399630165064686662011-11-28T11:41:40.272+01:002011-11-28T11:41:40.272+01:00It does depend on your meta. If you're facing ...It does depend on your meta. If you're facing eCaine, eHaley, eLylyth, and Kromac all the time, then stick with her in good conscience.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-9715110850218665562011-11-28T11:38:18.670+01:002011-11-28T11:38:18.670+01:00Yeah xD Even though I haven't played that much...Yeah xD Even though I haven't played that much pDenny outside of battlebox games, it felt like a really good list. I actually think it's powerful enough to be a tournament list. It does have 40 models though, which is a bit much I think. The most important thing for me though, is that I found the list very fun to play. Now I know you feel different about playing pDenny :) but as this is my first game with her in like a year I'm not that much up to speed on how to play her. Maybe after a couple of games I'll realize that she's stupidly powerful and put away for some time :)duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-80715577283375013952011-11-28T10:29:04.354+01:002011-11-28T10:29:04.354+01:00P is for PWN ;)P is for PWN ;)Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-42145358773939702612011-11-28T10:23:47.530+01:002011-11-28T10:23:47.530+01:00I actually decided to play the pDenny list in my g...I actually decided to play the pDenny list in my game Friday. It was a very good game vs eVayl. I didn't get to destroy that much of the opponents list, but I did kill some of his stuff. I forgot about the magic spray of his Sorceress, but luckily enough, it didn't kill that many Blackbane's. I then decided that it had to die, for the Blackbane's to be able to do their thing :) I actually think that the Blackbane's more or less won me the game, when I ran them into his ranks, and engaged all kinds of things with them, making his activations a hell. His Angelius was a bit annoying though as he could still push the Blackbane's with it's animus. I should have done more to kill it, but in the end it didn't matter. I won by doing a Scourge knockdown on Vayl and shooting her with 5 Nyss hunters and then charging her with 5 Blackbane's. There was nothing she could do about that in her current position :)duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-36243899947419816052011-11-24T15:51:06.083+01:002011-11-24T15:51:06.083+01:00You might be right about the ranged version being ...You might be right about the ranged version being more powerful. For a long time I've had it as personal project to figure out a list where the Blackbane's would really shine. I've given them a break like I said, but now I'm back at it. I'm not sure it's possible to build a list arround them like you can do it with banes for instance and maybe this is just stupid :) All the time when I build a list and I want to take bb's, there's always something I find would fit better into the list. I'm hoping to find some casters and models that work really well with them, as well as a kind of concept for the list, like a battle plan for how the list should be run vs different kind of opponent lists.duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-22830167650230036122011-11-24T15:22:44.632+01:002011-11-24T15:22:44.632+01:00Uh, one thing though. With pDenny I'll take De...Uh, one thing though. With pDenny I'll take Deathrippers every time, as she has enough debuffs to make them eat through Khador heavies.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-42194608222974692812011-11-24T15:20:08.618+01:002011-11-24T15:20:08.618+01:00I think the list will do well, but I found the ran...I think the list will do well, but I found the ranged variant slightly more powerful, since melee threats are vulnerable to several feats in the game.<br /><br />Activation sequence, room on the table, and time restraints aside, it's the most powerful list I've ever made.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-77821190385045696702011-11-24T14:58:52.018+01:002011-11-24T14:58:52.018+01:00I cooked up this list, as I've wanted to give ...I cooked up this list, as I've wanted to give Blackbane's some playtime again (haven't used them since DM). Your list seems really interesting, but contains a lot of stuff I'm not used to run, so I'm thinking trying it out a bit at a time. So I'm going with Dougal and the Nyss Hunters here, to try em out, and then I'll probably try out the Cutthroats later ;)<br /><br />Warwitch Deneghra +5 points<br />* 2x Nightwretch 4 points each<br />* Skarlock Thrall 2 points<br /><br />Bane Lord Tartarus 4 points<br />6 Bane Thralls 5 points<br />* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard 3 points<br />10 Blackbane's Ghost Raiders 9 points<br />Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist 2 points<br />Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile 2 points<br />10 Nyss Hunters 10 points<br />Pistol Wraith 3 points<br />Warwitch Siren 2 points<br />Withershadow Combine 5 points<br /><br />Comments and ideas are, as always, welcome ;)duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-75239087475561023342011-11-24T13:51:59.109+01:002011-11-24T13:51:59.109+01:00This was the setup I used, and despite being hard ...This was the setup I used, and despite being hard to manage on the table, it's a disgusting list.<br /><br />Warwitch Deneghra<br />- Nightwretch/Deathripper<br />- Nightwretch/Deathripper<br />Skarlock Thrall<br />Croe's Cutthroats (Full)<br />Nyss Hunters (Full)<br />Satyxis Raiders (Full)<br />- Sea Witch<br />The Withershadow Combine<br />Gorman di Wulfe<br />Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile<br />Satyxis Raider Captain<br />Warwitch Siren<br />Warwitch Siren<br /><br />In a round of shooting it can put out more than thirty shots/sprays/blasts, and it has twenty available weapon masters (thirty against living models, since Croe's have Poison).<br /><br />Roughly half the models Advance Deploy, and they all have Pathfinder. It's not a guaranteed win, but it's a fair fight :)Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-6585806620883046462011-11-24T10:32:21.369+01:002011-11-24T10:32:21.369+01:00God damn it, I need a Skarlock as well ofc. Gotta ...God damn it, I need a Skarlock as well ofc. Gotta take something out, but what???? Seems like the list has everything it need except a Skarlock and A Raider Captain :)duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-63371866869373418512011-11-24T09:06:10.241+01:002011-11-24T09:06:10.241+01:00Sounds really interesting :) The Satyxis setup you...Sounds really interesting :) The Satyxis setup you mention, what does that include? I was thinking about a list like this, but I think it might lack a Satyxis Raider Captain:<br /><br />Warwitch Deneghra +5 points<br />* 2x Nightwretch 4 points each<br /><br />Bane Lord Tartarus 4 points<br />6 Bane Thralls 5 points<br />* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard 3 points<br />Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist 2 points<br />Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile 2 points<br />10 Nyss Hunters 10 points<br />2x Pistol Wraith 3 points each<br />10 Satyxis Raiders 8 points<br />* Satyxis Sea Witch 2 points<br />Withershadow Combine 5 points<br /><br />I think the hard part about playing vs shooty legion is making sure that your caster doesn't get shot to pieces. Taking cover is a good thing ofc, but isn't always enough. Bolt throwers can shoot you out of cover and even every beast that tries to harm your caster in any way, will be able to boost both to hit and damage, as the opponent is most likely going all out at this point. At least that's what usually happens to me :) I don't have that much experience against Cygnar yet, but after reading what you posted here about them, I actually don't find that too intimidating :)duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-70774948994439908532011-11-22T15:35:54.781+01:002011-11-22T15:35:54.781+01:00Cygnar isn't to bad, as they don't have st...Cygnar isn't to bad, as they don't have stealth battlegroups. You just need to remove his anti-stealth on feat turn, throw out a crippling grasp and take his mauled jacks down in melee (you still have 20+ weapon masters). <br /><br />A few lists will be trouble, like dual Cyclones, but without Cyclones he's in deep trouble. Most Cygnar casters are also horribly vulnerable to pop & drop.<br /><br />If you do come up against Cyclones, they've got one weakness: 10" range. Run a node around (or through if you're a brave man) and have Deneghra Feat, Parasite one, and Cripple the other.<br /><br />With Dougal both Croe's and Nyss can fire from outside the templates, and should be enough to kill them both, and he's down 18 points. Then spread the Satyxis out to screen and occupy the center, and you should be way ahead of him.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-70581443670819340312011-11-22T15:21:10.666+01:002011-11-22T15:21:10.666+01:00Shadow Pack is a problem, but if you bring the Sat...Shadow Pack is a problem, but if you bring the Satyxis setup from my latest list, you should be able to mess him up badly.<br /><br />The thing is, that it's a ranged list that packs a stupid melee punch as well. Satyxis Raiders (Power swell), Nyss Hunters (Weapon masters), and Croe's (Poison against living) can really make a mess of things.<br /><br />Against Legion you rush him, and take him down in melee. Satyxis Raiders hitting a Ravagore with Parasite and Withering (run in a Arc Node), will do 3+ (4d6+14), and 3+ (3d6+13) each, so a Ravagore goes down to three of them (two if you roll just slightly above average).<br /><br />eLylyths feat will be devastating, but you can engage him with the Satyxis from turn one if you allow him to go first, making his ability to pull a flawless feat turn very unlikely. If he has RavagoreS and Bolt throwerS, he probably won't have the models required to free up his heavy guns before it's to late.<br /><br />It's tough, but the Satyxis/Nyss/Croe's list should make for a fair fight.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-51522071544296338402011-11-22T14:29:08.035+01:002011-11-22T14:29:08.035+01:00Any good ideas for playing pDenny against a ranged...Any good ideas for playing pDenny against a ranged list, say Cygnar with lots of guns or eLylyth with Ravagores and bolt throwers?duskernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727504976370798027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1997098707071687242.post-27751883499941277092011-10-28T10:11:56.375+02:002011-10-28T10:11:56.375+02:00At least he can work around those four Breaths of ...At least he can work around those four Breaths of Corruption in a rematch :D<br /><br />Knowing what pDenny does, makes no difference at all for a newbie.Lamoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679343892043130513noreply@blogger.com